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that's right. >> romney got fact checked by his own campaign. it's pretty clear now that romney has backed himself into a corner and president obama tinds to keep him there. joining me now, dana milbank and erin mcpike. thanks for coming on the show. >> reverend. >> thank you. >> dana, did mitt romney leave himself open to some attacks? >> well, just a little bit, ref renld. i think if he continues on this trajectory, by the last debate, he's going to be considerably to the left of you. and he'll have a difficult time but, you know, i suppose he may be all for increasing the minimum wage and getting more folks on welfare by then. but, you know, he had a very big night in a theatrical sense wednesday night and that really knocked obama back on his heels. now, you're seeing from obama the answers that one would have thought he would have come up with in realtime but romney did leave himself with a problem because he's contradicted himself in so many ways. he's come back and said, which one is it? the one that you presented last wednesday? so we're
that's right. >> romney got fact checked by his own campaign. it's pretty clear now that romney has backed himself into a corner and president obama tinds to keep him there. joining me now, dana milbank and erin mcpike. thanks for coming on the show. >> reverend. >> thank you. >> dana, did mitt romney leave himself open to some attacks? >> well, just a little bit, ref renld. i think if he continues on this trajectory, by the last debate, he's going to be...
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mitt romney is not a progressive, you're right. who cares. >> i'd repeal dodd frank. we're not going to get rid of all regulation. you have to have regulation. >> cenk: unfortunately, it worked. we'll tell you the results and we'll tell you how it worked on the show. then did president obama take it easy on romney because fox news has been charging him with being an angry black man because of this old clip. >> what is happening down in new orleans? where is your dollar? where is your money? it tells me that some how people in new orleans, they don't care about it as much. >> cenk: that is a really interesting debate. we'll have that on the show. and then toby zeigler from the "west wing"." >> it's not rocket science, it's labeled, but it takes a voter extra ten seconds to find it. >> cenk: how he would have done last night. all that and the elbow of the day. well somebody elbowed themselves. you might have been able to guess it. that's all on "the young turks." guess what time is it? you know it. you guessed that too. it's go time. >> romney: i will not under any circ
mitt romney is not a progressive, you're right. who cares. >> i'd repeal dodd frank. we're not going to get rid of all regulation. you have to have regulation. >> cenk: unfortunately, it worked. we'll tell you the results and we'll tell you how it worked on the show. then did president obama take it easy on romney because fox news has been charging him with being an angry black man because of this old clip. >> what is happening down in new orleans? where is your dollar? where...
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the republican the conservative candidate in the primary is always going to lean right and come back to the center for the general the opposite of the democrat that's all your so you hear it's very typical we strong conservatives understand that there are a lot of undecideds in this country hopefully right of center left of center but we want those votes too so this is a campaign strategy and we saw that of a romney run away from his very own tax plan. i'm not in favor of a five trillion dollar tax cut that's not my plan my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit that's point one so you may keep referring to it as a five trillion dollar tax cut but that's not my plan ok simple fact we take in about two trillion dollars a year in taxes as one point nine two last trillion dollars last year will be a little over two trillion this year inflation the economy grows over ten years as twenty trillion dollars right we're all with it and they are arithmetic here figure in place in a growing economy over a ten year period it's really going to be about twenty five tr
the republican the conservative candidate in the primary is always going to lean right and come back to the center for the general the opposite of the democrat that's all your so you hear it's very typical we strong conservatives understand that there are a lot of undecideds in this country hopefully right of center left of center but we want those votes too so this is a campaign strategy and we saw that of a romney run away from his very own tax plan. i'm not in favor of a five trillion dollar...
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certainly mitt romney is far to the right on things like women's issues, on choice, on judge, on all those things, but i think the conversation has been more about is he for the top over the folks who are in the middle and at the bottom. if you look at what he did at the debate, he tried to, you know, wiggle his way out of being this guy who is just for the top, this plutocrat that american people think he is basically and that he is, and the truth of the matter is that his position, the things that he has espoused on the campaign trail that he used to get through the republican primary, are positions that are very focused on the top and it looks like what the campaign is doing and what the press is doing is pointing out mitt romney is not telling the truth about the positions he has. >> yeah. but that's presuming he's going to stay on one message or the other. the most shocking thing about the debate, you're not going to do the 20% across the board tax cut, now you like certain parts of the obama care, but it muddles the president's tactics in terms on hammering him on things if tho
certainly mitt romney is far to the right on things like women's issues, on choice, on judge, on all those things, but i think the conversation has been more about is he for the top over the folks who are in the middle and at the bottom. if you look at what he did at the debate, he tried to, you know, wiggle his way out of being this guy who is just for the top, this plutocrat that american people think he is basically and that he is, and the truth of the matter is that his position, the things...
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they've been following what mitt romney has said. >> right. >> they're tuning in to the fact that he wasn't telling the truth last night. >> the conversation we had just a moment ago says on some of these things there are different ways of looking at t the point is, who is going to make the best point to the american people? some things can be proven definitively right or wrong. andrew sullivan, an influential supporter of the president and blogger called his performance absolutely disgracefully bad. let me play a sound bite of what he said and let you respond to that. >> i have never seen a president of the united states blather, blather on like that, bore us, tell us none of his major arguments, fight back against any of the obvious distortions of the other candidate and just sit there. i mean, really. and you know how much i love this guy. >> stephanie, did you feel a little bit of that frustration? >> you know, i appreciate his opinion. i disagree with it. i think the president had a good performance last night. obviously, mitt romney had a good performance, but that's just what
they've been following what mitt romney has said. >> right. >> they're tuning in to the fact that he wasn't telling the truth last night. >> the conversation we had just a moment ago says on some of these things there are different ways of looking at t the point is, who is going to make the best point to the american people? some things can be proven definitively right or wrong. andrew sullivan, an influential supporter of the president and blogger called his performance...
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last night's opening statements set the tone for the debate and mitt romney came right out of the gate with, get this, a joke. let's watch. >> 20 years ago i became the luckiest man on earth because michelle obama agreed to marry me, and so i just want to wish, sweetie, you happy anniversary and let you know that a year from now we will not be celebrating it in front of 40 million people. >> congratulations to you, mr. president, on your anniversary. i'm sure this was the most romantic place you could imagine here with me. congratulations. >> that was, i hate to say it, charming. >> yeah. >> james. >> yeah. >> where did that come from? >> it came from mitt romney. he's rather notorious for telling jokes that go over like lead balloons. this did not. he finally found his groove as far as a comedian is concerned. at least for that moment. >> let's talk about the president. he was the one i think that was the base of most consternation. you know, he was looking down a lot. did he know and what did you think about the fact of that split screen? there we are watching it now. we never didn't
last night's opening statements set the tone for the debate and mitt romney came right out of the gate with, get this, a joke. let's watch. >> 20 years ago i became the luckiest man on earth because michelle obama agreed to marry me, and so i just want to wish, sweetie, you happy anniversary and let you know that a year from now we will not be celebrating it in front of 40 million people. >> congratulations to you, mr. president, on your anniversary. i'm sure this was the most...
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right at the top of that debate last night when romney first mentioned trickle-down government, obamaobviously, it's easy to say in retrospect, he should have said, no, you're the big supporter of trickle-down economics, let's not confuse the issue, let's be clear, you believe in trickle-down economics and grab the initiative. he has to do that the next time when romney plays these word games. >> is the thing to do to name the tactic? you are doing this in order to confuse the fact, in order to, you know, occlude the accusation against you that, i mean, is that how you do it? >> go that, go after the tactic. again, it's easy to say this as a monday morning quarterback, but then you pivot to the substance of it and explain why what he just said is not true. you don't call him a liar or say that's not true. or do something that can end up, you know, going viral in some way that is not helpful to the campaign. just have to very clearly and cogently, and it was cogency that was lacking last night, rip through the other guy's point. >> mitt romney said he does not espouse positions he's been runnin
right at the top of that debate last night when romney first mentioned trickle-down government, obamaobviously, it's easy to say in retrospect, he should have said, no, you're the big supporter of trickle-down economics, let's not confuse the issue, let's be clear, you believe in trickle-down economics and grab the initiative. he has to do that the next time when romney plays these word games. >> is the thing to do to name the tactic? you are doing this in order to confuse the fact, in...
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that is the challenge governor romney has. >> bill: all right, scott. you are polling right now, right? >> absolutely. and when will your first national poll that reflects the debate be out? >> first national poll done after the debate comes out next sunday morning. next couple of days get a hint where it is moving. >> bill: do you want to predict where it's going? >> the president was ahead a couple of points before the debate. it wouldn't surprise me if he is behind by a couple. >> bill: three or four point swing? >> three or four point swing. >> bill: you are also doing the swing state polls, ohio, virginia, florida. those do you hope to see the same things there. >> absolutely. now, in ohio, the president has had a little bigger lead. any gains that romney makes will perhaps just cut into that. wouldn't surprise me if mr. romney moves ahead in florida or virginia. >> bill: now, things are going really really fast now. okay? we're down about a month before we are going to vote. and it gets to be harder and harder the closer and closer you get to elec
that is the challenge governor romney has. >> bill: all right, scott. you are polling right now, right? >> absolutely. and when will your first national poll that reflects the debate be out? >> first national poll done after the debate comes out next sunday morning. next couple of days get a hint where it is moving. >> bill: do you want to predict where it's going? >> the president was ahead a couple of points before the debate. it wouldn't surprise me if he is...
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that, but, look, i think there was a problem with the romney/ryan pick right off the bat, and that was ryan had a plan that was obviously well-publicized, that was defeated, but since mitt romney was short on specifics in his plan, the media immediately filled in the holes and the gaps in romney's plan with ryan's old plan. >> but hogan, i thought -- >> they couldn't answer the question. >> hogan, just before you answer fully though, my understanding was that mitt romney had embraced ball ryan's budget. indeed, i heard him say that. so i think it's slightly inaccurate to suggest that somehow mitt romney has been separate from paul ryan. he's embraced paul ryan's budget. >> well, if i'm not mistaken, that, too, was in a primary that in a sense they were asking would you embrace his plan and romney said, yeah, it's a good plan, but as the nominee obviously, you have your own plan. the raub is that plan was a little bit short on specifics, shall we say, and so they filled the gaps smartly so done by the democrats by the way, they filled the gaps with ryan's plan to try to make romney's pl
that, but, look, i think there was a problem with the romney/ryan pick right off the bat, and that was ryan had a plan that was obviously well-publicized, that was defeated, but since mitt romney was short on specifics in his plan, the media immediately filled in the holes and the gaps in romney's plan with ryan's old plan. >> but hogan, i thought -- >> they couldn't answer the question. >> hogan, just before you answer fully though, my understanding was that mitt romney had...
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right exactly i mean the whole strategy of the obama team has been to portray met romney as an unacceptable choice in various ways to portray him as an extremely rich man who doesn't understand ordinary people's problems to portray a must someone who has on acceptably unacceptable tax policies that really favor the rich excessively that strategy came undone to a certain extent last night and i think that romney did really play his hand pretty strongly in terms of both protesting that he did have a concern for so-called ordinary people and also suggesting that rightly or wrongly that his tax plan was more fair or less favoring the wealthy although let's talk about just because of exactly nihilo me ask you it was a political malpractise for obama not to mention the forty seven percent. political malpractise really strip it strange it was very surprising it was very very surprising that has been the big issue for the past couple of weeks in this campaign and it played perfectly into the case that obama is trying to make that romney simply doesn't care now perhaps obama was trying to sort of fl
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you know, that's not a strong suit for president obama right now and something mitt romney can really take, take obama out with. jon: ron bonjean and julie roginsky, thank you both. >> thank you. jenna: there is certainly a lot of reaction to september's jobs report. both presidential campaigns going into spin mode already. what do today's numbers really tell us about the prospects for millions of americans looking for work? our jobs panel weighs in and talks a little bit about this report and takes your questions. >>> a textbook example of a round house punch. maybe this guy felt he had nothing to lose after pleading guilty. wait until you hear how much the time his attack on his own lawyer added to his sentence jenna: the new jobs numbers out this morning as i'm sure you're aware at this point. some say pointing to really a break-through in the recovery. the unemployment rate falling below 8% for the first time in almost four years but a deeper look shows a little bit different picture. we want to show this to you. you might hear a lot about u-6 rates that measures people not fully
you know, that's not a strong suit for president obama right now and something mitt romney can really take, take obama out with. jon: ron bonjean and julie roginsky, thank you both. >> thank you. jenna: there is certainly a lot of reaction to september's jobs report. both presidential campaigns going into spin mode already. what do today's numbers really tell us about the prospects for millions of americans looking for work? our jobs panel weighs in and talks a little bit about this...
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that's all mitt romney is doing. >> all right. okay. sports metaphor on that. i'm sure a lot of people that will disagree with you. nice to see you. we appreciate your time this morning. >> thank you. always good to be with you. >>> still ahead this morning, voter registration fraud, is it growing? one congressman worried it could have a serious impact on this year's election. going to talk to congressman cummings straight ahead. a rare and deadly meningitis outbreak is spreading across the country. we have been talking about this for a couple of days. talk about the source and how you can stay safe yourself. [ male announcer ] this is anna, her long day teaching the perfect swing begins with back pain and a choice. take advil, and maybe have to take up to four in a day. or take aleve, which can relieve pain all day with just two pills. good eye. check out the latest collection of snacks from lean cuisine. creamy spinach artichoke dip, crispy garlic chicken spring rolls. they're this season's must-have accessory. lean cuisine. be culinary chic. now we need a li
that's all mitt romney is doing. >> all right. okay. sports metaphor on that. i'm sure a lot of people that will disagree with you. nice to see you. we appreciate your time this morning. >> thank you. always good to be with you. >>> still ahead this morning, voter registration fraud, is it growing? one congressman worried it could have a serious impact on this year's election. going to talk to congressman cummings straight ahead. a rare and deadly meningitis outbreak is...
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it really is stunning to try to fact check romney, right? >> the one that got me was the revenue reducing tax cut, and talk about this resulting growing of the base and, you know, it's -- it's so interesting that -- that the revenue-neutral concept is pretty much just nomenclature they are suggesting that as the tax base grows, in the future we'll recover revenues and therefore the tax cut will be paid for. well that sounds an awful lot like the bush recession, where they fought two wars that weren't on line, they gave tax cuts to the primarily upper levels, and didn't have a funding mechanism and then wonder idea we as a economy crashed. it was the same order of thinking. give the tax cut but don't worry about paying for it. that sounds like recent history repeated. >> stephanie: right. >> i just think we're going into the danger zone. >> stephanie: obviously facts and numbers supporting the president, including the unemployment rate falling to 7.8%. that's huge news, isn't it? >> i think it's great news. knowing that 7.8% is the lowest it
it really is stunning to try to fact check romney, right? >> the one that got me was the revenue reducing tax cut, and talk about this resulting growing of the base and, you know, it's -- it's so interesting that -- that the revenue-neutral concept is pretty much just nomenclature they are suggesting that as the tax base grows, in the future we'll recover revenues and therefore the tax cut will be paid for. well that sounds an awful lot like the bush recession, where they fought two wars...
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right now, republic candidate for president, governor mitt romney is speaking at an event in st. petersburg, florida. we understand is he going to be touching on the economy. let's watch for just a moment. >> the participation of our adults in the workforce were the same as at the time that he got elected. our unemployment rate would be about 11%. people in this country are having a hard time finding a job. people in this country are having a hard time making ends meet even if they do have a job. so it's time to have someone who is elected president who actually has a plan and i do. we will create 12 million jobs and rising incomes. that's the kind of future we need to have for america. [cheers] and you know the things. i have got five things. you heard me talk about them. i don't have to look at notes to know what they're by the way. i know what they're. number one, number one, we're going to take advantage of our energy, our coal, our gas, our oil our nuclear, our renumbers. [. [cheers and applause] >> we're going to double the number of permits on federal lands and federal wat
right now, republic candidate for president, governor mitt romney is speaking at an event in st. petersburg, florida. we understand is he going to be touching on the economy. let's watch for just a moment. >> the participation of our adults in the workforce were the same as at the time that he got elected. our unemployment rate would be about 11%. people in this country are having a hard time finding a job. people in this country are having a hard time making ends meet even if they do...
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if you circumstance two states, mitt romney has to have florida and ohio right up there, andrea. i think florida more likely for mitt romney than ohio, but this is a state he has got to win. we're not entirely sure he will. polling suggests it's close. i'm interested in polls that come out early next week. let's see if there is a debate influence. maybe whether the jobs report, which had, i think, some good news for barack obama. maybe that takes the romney debate bump away or not. but he is spending several days in florida not by accident. he has to win here. >> especially since they're not doing as well as they hoped to do in ohio. there's the other debate, and i'm not talking about the vice presidential match-up next week. i am talking about jon stewart versus bill o'reilly saturday night for charity here in d.c. >> people said they're looking forward to the vice presidential debate. if you're looking for a debate with the most fireworks between now and the election, bill o'reilly and jon stewart. i've been watching the jon stewart clips from "the daily show" with stephen colb
if you circumstance two states, mitt romney has to have florida and ohio right up there, andrea. i think florida more likely for mitt romney than ohio, but this is a state he has got to win. we're not entirely sure he will. polling suggests it's close. i'm interested in polls that come out early next week. let's see if there is a debate influence. maybe whether the jobs report, which had, i think, some good news for barack obama. maybe that takes the romney debate bump away or not. but he is...
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the second thing to say is it wasn't so much the right, and there were people on the romney side trying to push it. it was the left. it was the left that went crazy on obama! they wanted a grudge match, a cage match. they wanted -- >> that's why even the obama campaign thinks they lost. >> yeah, that's the problem. >> when they come out tend with the spinners, it was all romney people. >> who knew that preparation with joy bearrest would have been a bad idea? spending all that time on the couch. obama had such a rough night that sandra fluke called him to see if he was doing okay. i thought that was pretty touching. i actually felt -- it's the worst possible feeling that you could have is to feel sorry for somebody and i felt like i was watching the washington generals playing the harlem globetrotters. that's a basketball reference. i wanted to make sure you knew that. but i bet at this point, romney's garbage man is voting for him. obama to me, he remained me of homer simpson rolling down the mountain and continually, no matter what he does, keeps hitting his head over and over and ove
the second thing to say is it wasn't so much the right, and there were people on the romney side trying to push it. it was the left. it was the left that went crazy on obama! they wanted a grudge match, a cage match. they wanted -- >> that's why even the obama campaign thinks they lost. >> yeah, that's the problem. >> when they come out tend with the spinners, it was all romney people. >> who knew that preparation with joy bearrest would have been a bad idea? spending...
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was -- romney won that. hefar as romney's ideas, said a lot of stuff about the changes he made to this day. but the entire national stage will be a different idea. and something that is so little far-fetched right now. >> i think it is a draw. they both had their composure. they both made their points. mr. romney did look a little frustrated a few times. i likened him to a pit bull on a leash. i agree with him on the values, whereas the democratic party i do not agree with their bodies system at all. >> of the body language on these guys. it looks like there were full of crap. and they're just, they keep avoiding the real issues. >> i'd just ahead of this reaction tonight. the entire time romney would be talking, i would say how, how, how? he wanted to say how he was going to do all this stuff. but he did not tell us how. it was extremely frustrated. >> obama did not mention anything about china. he skirted the questions. he was not direct. it was trying to protect mitt. mitt and confident. when he was attac
was -- romney won that. hefar as romney's ideas, said a lot of stuff about the changes he made to this day. but the entire national stage will be a different idea. and something that is so little far-fetched right now. >> i think it is a draw. they both had their composure. they both made their points. mr. romney did look a little frustrated a few times. i likened him to a pit bull on a leash. i agree with him on the values, whereas the democratic party i do not agree with their bodies...
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right now, virginia shows romney up by a point. in florida, romney is up. let's start with virginia specifically. virginia was close but now we have romney up by a point in virginia. tell us, predebate, where were they? >>guest: it has been fairly close for a while. a month ago president obama was up by a point or two. there has not been a blow out in virginia through this. what we are seeing --. >> let's go through one by one. florida, talk about florida. your poll, again, polling that came out this morning, brand new, shows romney, 49, and president obama 47. >>guest: it is important to note this poll and all the one we are talking about we did last night after the debate was finished. a month ago, president obama was leading by to points in the great state of florida this is a state romney has to win. again, we are seeing a modest shift. with a four-point shift and it goes from obama up by two, to romney up by two, it is significant. >> now the great state of ohio, that poll, i saw it was obama by 8 percent or 9 percent. there is volatility in the polls.
right now, virginia shows romney up by a point. in florida, romney is up. let's start with virginia specifically. virginia was close but now we have romney up by a point in virginia. tell us, predebate, where were they? >>guest: it has been fairly close for a while. a month ago president obama was up by a point or two. there has not been a blow out in virginia through this. what we are seeing --. >> let's go through one by one. florida, talk about florida. your poll, again, polling...
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bush had trouble with. >> eliot: you're right. romney came across as smart. that's what affected it. doug, my question was every time i heard the $5 trillion gig, why did the president not turn to him and say if you do not plan to add a $5 trillion revenue loss what loopholes will you close? give us the broad brush outlines because without that, you don't have credibility. it would have seemed to me to be the appropriate response. >> absolutely. he could have just kept pressing him and i -- before the debate, my whole view was the president needs to spend little bit of time on defense and then just go on the offense. because mitt romney is so vulnerable to attacks not only on his current policies but on his previous policies and in being a flip-flopper and certainly his time as a businessman which really didn't come up that much which was surprising. certainly the president didn't press it but you didn't hear a lot about mitt romney talking about and bragging about how he created jobs because he knew he was vulnerable there. you didn't hear a lot about his ti
bush had trouble with. >> eliot: you're right. romney came across as smart. that's what affected it. doug, my question was every time i heard the $5 trillion gig, why did the president not turn to him and say if you do not plan to add a $5 trillion revenue loss what loopholes will you close? give us the broad brush outlines because without that, you don't have credibility. it would have seemed to me to be the appropriate response. >> absolutely. he could have just kept pressing him...
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what counts is body language, right megan kelly. >> it was an interesting dimic to see mitt romney looking mostly over at president obama when he was making his point. and president obama choosing to look mostly at jim lehrer or looking down. and what message do the viewers at home pick up on that. >> governor romney's body language was pretty good and that expression on his face which was an expression, those of white house follow him was familiar w as kind of a half smile, not a smirk-- . >> stephen: yes, brit, mitt had a confident half smile, like this. (laughter) not a smirk like this-- (laughter) and definitely not a big bright rick human smile like this-- hume smile like this (laughter) so ultimately, folks, choosing the leader of the free world is clearly all about how it looks. so for those of you who did not have an hour and a half to waste last night, here's how it looks. >> we welcome president obama and governor romney. (applause) (laughter) (applause) thank you and good night. >> stephen: pretty much captures it. now of course a lot of belly acres on the left, incidentally bel
what counts is body language, right megan kelly. >> it was an interesting dimic to see mitt romney looking mostly over at president obama when he was making his point. and president obama choosing to look mostly at jim lehrer or looking down. and what message do the viewers at home pick up on that. >> governor romney's body language was pretty good and that expression on his face which was an expression, those of white house follow him was familiar w as kind of a half smile, not a...